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this is the conspiracy of continentals to portray all English as irreligious beer-drinkers,
Of course not! :D In the French translation, the famous five are French children (Annie, Claude, Mick and François). So when they drink beer, they are French drinkers! In fact, in 1960-70, drink a bit of alcohol was an usage admitted for young boys. Now it's different. And the ginger beer was completely unknown in France.
And about the deleting of the church scene, it's just an another act of the ordinary French atheism against christianity. :roll:
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I always thought the majority of French people were devout Roman Catholics. I am surprised to hear that France is now largely an atheist country.

As the Kirrins are now French children have the place names been altered as well as the names? I guess the Lenoir family sits comfortably, at least.
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I always thought the majority of French people were devout Roman Catholics. I am surprised to hear that France is now largely an atheist country.
Since the Revolution of 1789, there are atheists and catholics in France. There are still around 65% of catholics in the country but the government is rather atheist and also supports islam
As the Kirrins are now French children have the place names been altered as well as the names? I guess the Lenoir family sits comfortably, at least.
Yes, all the names are changed
Kirrin become Kernach, somewhere in Bretagne
Uncle Quentin and Aunt Fanny become Henri and Cécile
Pierre Lenoir stay Pierre Lenoir but Sooty becomes Noiraud.
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pebe wrote:but the government is rather atheist and also supports islam
That surprises me. Didn't the French government ban the wearing of the burka? I see Egypt is set to vote on banning it too as they say 'it is not Islamic'.
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That surprises me. Didn't the French government ban the wearing of the burka?
The situation is more complex. There is a law against burqa and niqab but policemen are afraid of riots when they control. Also, a millionaire friend of the Socialist Party pays the women's fines. :shock:

Our politicians are atheists but they appreciate the Muslim votes and the money of Qatar and Saudi Arabia. For example, the President, the Prime Minister and Mayor of Paris celebrate the beginning of the Ramadan but not Christmas or Easter. :(
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All this atheist talk has me wondering. Do you think it's OK for a child to decide his/her own religion, even if it differs with that of his/her parents? Or should he/she wait till adulthood?
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In practice the way it works is that a child can't choose their religion until they are an adult. There are many many decisions a child is not allowed to make, and must have an adult make for them (for example, a child's signature on a contract is not valid).

If I had children, I would require them to attend church with me, just I like I would require them to attend school (a child doesn't get to choose their school, either). I would thus make sure that the children learn what religion IS, but I would always be aware that the children will one day be able to choose any religion they want, or even choose not to participate in religion. But I am part of a religion that takes very seriously the fact that we do NOT want to indoctrinate children, we want children to learn about all the religions of the world so they are prepared to make their decision when they become adults.
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Officially, we can't choose our own religion, citizenship, etc until we're 18. But, as far as religion is concerned, a child's official religion, given by his/her parents, might be different from the faith of the child. For example, I'm 14 and an atheist. No religion what so ever. But my mom is a Hindu, and my dad doesn't believe in God, but he follows the Hindu way of life. (Sort of) I'm wondering if it's OK for me to decide my own religion, whether to have it or not, and if not, which one to follow.
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I believe the opposite. To me, the ideal situation is where a child is brought up without any form of religion. It isn't for an adult to force-feed a child religious beliefs that may or may not be true - religion is for the adult to decide, and children should be ideally raised without any formal religious beliefs. They are after all only beliefs - and why should a child be expected to 'believe' one theory over another?

I hate to see Jehovah's Witnesses dragging their children door to door when they are three or four years old. It's obscene. A child should be brought up ethically and morally but religion should play only a very small part, if any. 8)

To answer your question, Sunskriti, if you are old enough to question what you want, and to explore the options, then yes, I think you are old enough to decide. :-) It seems you have been brought up to make up your own mind about things, and that is really great! :-)
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I agree, Rob. If you make your child follow your religion till he/she is legally old enough to decide otherwise, then it's not a level playing field for other religions. It's highly likely that the child will choose the religion of his/her parents, simply because he/she knows more about it, and doesn't have nearly as good a knowledge of the lifestyle adopted by other religions.
As for Jehovah's Witnesses, that's a completely different story. Their children are constantly reminded of the 'that is a rotten world and a New World is coming' thing that they must feel completely overwhelmed! :( :roll: I pity them.
Yes, I have been brought up to make my own mind about things in general. :) I've been observing everything about this that I can, and only in the last year or so have I come to the conclusion that I don't believe in God. I dunno, it might change by the time I'm 18, but right now I'm pretty sure of it. :D
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You are right to keep an open mind about such things Sunskriti. Life was a lot simpler when I was a child as Christianity was the main religion in Britain and other religions were almost unknown to children until we learned about them much later. We accepted what we were taught in school - having an act of worship at the start of each day helped to reinforce the idea that the spiritual side of life did exist!
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In my opinion, religion should not be imposed on children. They have a right to choose what they want to believe, how they want to act, later in life. Small children will follow what others do. They do not have an opinion of their own about their faith. How can you have it if you really don't understand life in general? It's maturity that helps us to get a firm decision. Therefore, as the child grows, he or she is now able to choose. It is knowledge that is the key to what we do. In my case, I am Catholic, I do believe in God, and I have a strong idea of what faith is, what God is for me. I do not strictly follow what Catholics do in general, but I now know what I am doing. I am allowed to decide. Religion is a serious matter, and must be treated as one. It is one big mystery that one must discover. If children are obliged to do things that they do not understand. And Sunskriti, that is your opinion, no one can argue about it, but of course it can change and develop over time.
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How far this thread has strayed off ginger beer!

Can it be brought back on topic? A marathon job.Please don't snicker,but there is actually a religion called Gingerism.

From reading some posters comments it is obvious they would rather go to mars (via the milky way, galaxy )than contemplate another strange set of beliefs.
Gingerism
Gingerism is a new religion in which Chuck Norris is the creator of everything (God) and Gingers are are the original peoples. The Original Peoples (Gingers) created normal people (Non-Gingers) because they were afraid of Chuck and were lonely. The reason that we (Gingers) don't have souls is that we felt bad for Non-Gingers so when we're born we lock our souls in a box and distribute sections of it to Non-Gingers so they can have souls.
Gingerism is the best, most believable religion out there.
Famous adherents to the faith include Terry's (of York),Rowntree Mackintosh,Ferrero Rocher & Kit Kat..
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